Astronomi-con

Muskie · Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: Imperial Armor 7

I ordered my copy, we'll have to see what the exchange rate ends up being. It wasn't supposed to be out until October, now it should ship on August 24th. Besides the conclussion of the story arch, it has a Nurgle Renegades list. No word on whether it includes some of the new IG goodies, but even without them it still might be fun to build say a 1500 point army...

Some new special characters, but those aren't usually my thing...

This Dave · Alumni Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 104

I'm mostly wondering how they pLan to reconcile the IA versions of the vehicles And troops and the new IG versions.

This Dave

This Dave · Alumni Joined: 24 Aug 2006 Posts: 104

I'm mostly wondering how they pLan to reconcile the IA versions of the vehicles And troops and the new IG versions.

This Dave

Muskie · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject:

I've read a lot of rumors and bitching online, but honestly it isn't rocket surgery. I could make up the Renegades list which is what I care about. Renegades shouldn't get orders or the latest high tech do dads.

As for the tanks and the old Kreig lists I don't see it being that difficult you just use the old rules or you use the new rules. It's the list as a whole that should be balanced not the cost of one tank... Also I think you play with Forgeworld stuff because it is cool, not because it is a killer special advantage. That said I think the Renegades list is decent enough, Plaguemarines will be Elite so I have plenty of those. Plaguebearers are out, but supposedly updated rules for the big beasts might be in the book, not to mention a bunch of Chaos special characters.

I kinda like the old Iron Fist as a troup choice. I also like sentinals at fast attack, the only thing I wouldn't mind is being able to take a squadron of artillary tanks, I'm not sure how pratical it is in 1500 points, but it makes sense in that artillary would range find and shell an area together.

Flyers seem too fragile to me. In second edition times when there was a modifier to hit "fast" stuff, now there is the Turboboost rule which is good, but I don't think Flyers get it. Plague zombies were in Lost and the Damned, not sure what I'll do with them, but if they get Feel No Pain maybe the Nurgle list would get annoying as it could field like 100 models with Feel No Pain.

Rumors of an update PDF have been faint at pest. I just want to know I can run it at Astro, especially if I use mostly Forgeworld bits. I have lots of bits but Marauders work and the Empire Fantasy range has some bits and there is always Cadians or used Guardsmen.

It's the Chimera's I'm not looking forward to painting. I may have to drybrush.

Muskie · Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:20 pm Post subject:

I poked at a list and getting to 1500 points is easy. I could run 500 points in Plaguemarines. It is getting to 1500 points without having to paint 100 models, that is why the Zombies and other Rabble are wait and see for me.

I'd be content with just guardsmen, deamons, and plaguebearers. I think this third renegade list will be the most demonic, which suits my painted miniature collection just fine. What's the dollar cost of a Chimera these days, hell do they sell a Chimera plus ten dudes box, those would make sense for me, plus Forgeworld and other bits... Still 50 plus bucks a squad maybe even close to 100. That's why I only play Diseased Sons. I have plenty of Ork stuff but the high model count scares me a bit, but I can do 50 models in a year or even a few months. It is the 100 or say four Chimeras that would break me...

I was going to do another Rhino but I've been avoiding it. I haven't painted a tank in like 7 years. Even Dreadnoughts tire me out and I have another one of those on the horrizon. Sentinals look easy and smallish... No idea where a Blight Drone fits in on the Force Org chart, but assuming it isn't elite or troops I should be able to fit one in, someone said they were Fast Attack...

I'm not going for a perfect Army Comp score. I'm prepared to take a hit to be cool, probably will run two HQ because they are so different...

Rough Rider · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject:

Muskie · Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:28 pm Post subject:

I still haven't seen the list obviously but others have. We both know I have no shortage of Plaguemarines. I'd love to be able to use Plaguebearers or Nurglings. The latter was in the lost and damned list. Nurglings are everywhere Nurgle followers gather...

I'll probably run 2 HQs, that isn't that many dollars or points. I may run one or two plaguemarine squads probably in Rhinos.

I kinda think you need an infantry platoon, but mine is set to be small and mounted I think. Mounting the Command Platoon requires 4 Chimeras. I'm not looking forward to painting that.

I still need a second troop choice, plague zombies are in the list. If they are 4pts each and 20-50 like the previous bulk squads that is only 200 points but 50 models I have to paint. I'm tempted too, rumor has it they are fearless with feel no pain. They are more of an annoyance than an offensive unit, tough to shift off an objective though and unlikely to get outnumbered. I'll use mostly GW zombies for this.

FA I was going to go sentinals because they can outflank. But if Blight Drones are available and decent I might run a squadron of those. That is big bucks though. I should be able to use them with my Chaos Space Marine armies if it is like the Hell Talon and what not.

Heavy Support I have no idea. I was looking at the current IG codex and thought of Griffons. The Imperial Armour lists always refer to points costs in other Imperial Armour books. This doesn't bother me much, but the squadron rule is good and makes sense for artillary. I may run no HS, if the Blight Drones are any good for anything. Supposedly they get one of the gun options of the Soul Grinder, but just one...

As for models, I plan to order more Forgeworld bits. I was pricing it out but it is all in Euros. I only need the infantry platoon. I have lots of Orlocks and Goffs plus Marauders, so I'm thinking of buying the Cadian big box with two tacticals, a command squad, a sentinal, and heavy weapons. I don't need all that stuff, but it gets me the 25 men and I pretty much want Melta guns or flamers and the Forgeworld stuff has a lot of plasma.

I can field a lot of two wound models. I wish there was a two wound commander in CSM codex. I'm really looking forward to this list. I trust it is legal at Astro and I'm so infamous I don't think anyone would object to it in one off games. It comes across as an assault army, a horde assault army but it is worse than orks or nids. I think assault power armor armies will beat it down. I mean it is a human unarmored, undergunned, H2H horde army. I got a very cinematic idea, but on paper it would be.

4 Chimeras
2 Command Squads
2 Infantry squads no heavy weapons
50 zombie horde

All of that needs painting. I have some zombies and bad guys with guns. I may invest in some West Wind or Pig Iron heads, that shouldn't be an issue. The new Pig Iron Ferals look like the Rebel Militia stuff from forgeworld. The fantasy line has some good stuff, Empire Fladgelants, priests, etc. Mordheim had some great models as did Necro but even if it just stuff I own + Cadians + Forgeworld bitz I can do it. I gotta have 20 plasma pistols or something. What I have less of is autoguns and what not but Gorka Morka and the Ork range have stubbas and sluggas that are basically revolvers.

The dollar cost is big as it is half forgeworld. Foregworld is supposedly making more rebel models, including zombies. So many of the models are already out and they look pretty good. I've already been thinking of corners to cut while painting. I think cloth can be done quicker than power armor and the models are smaller. I also think the Chimeras in black with purple should be easy enough.

I wish I could get started, but I'm lazy and I need to study a lot until December.

Take care I think I can fund this army, don't really need to spend money though. I can't fake Chimeras and Blight Drones and the rest of the Forgeworld bits will just be for fun. It won't be a cheap low model count army, hopefully I can find some eBay chimera bits.

Muskie · Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:25 am Post subject:

The overall look I'm going for won't be super-nurgly. I want more post apocalyptical, mad max. To that end I'd rather have more makeshift vehicles than chimeras.

I was doing some thinking and I could make four armored trucks. I could make them half tracks. I'd kit bash them from Ork Trukks naturally. Those are about the size of Chimeras. I'd wall up the drivers compartment and crew compartment. Mount the turrent on the roof. Wouldn't use any Orky glyphs but would still paint everything all rusty. I'm an Ork player from way back and I got some good kitbashing techniques. I'd magnetize the guns and turrets so I could swap them out say with the orkified bits.

Forgeworld has some kits, but mainly I'd use plasticard. The Waaarggh website has some great kitbashers. I think it might make the army look cooler and I don't think the counts as Chimera's will be a problem if I put Imperial/Chaos guns on them. The big shoota looks a lot like a heavy stubba anyway.

I'm gonna get me a trukk and chimera and build a prototype. I got lots of bitz including some from Ramshakle games. Once I build one I'll plan out three more, I wanted the Chimeras to all be armed different. I think the trukk kit is less uniform than the Chimera and more Mad Max.

Warriors of the Wasteland and all that.

What say y'all. Wanna kill some post apocalyptical militia men and the horde of zombies they just can't seem to escape from no matter how fast they drive?

I'll throw in Bob the Necessary Evil, because he is the Necessary Evil and is in all my army lists since 2nd Edition. And the Blight Drones will be the wild card. I secretly hope they don't suck and cost some points because I don't want to paint over 100 models. I'll have to buy another display case for all thsi.