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Colin
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 Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 3:16 pm Post subject: New: Pinnacle Studio v11 - AVCHD Support Too! |
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Given that I don't (yet) have my own set of forums to post this, here goes:
Pinnacle Systems Introduces the Next Generation of Video Editing Software: Pinnacle Studio 11: New product family provides video enthusiasts with the latest technology within easy-to-use editing software
Tewksbury, Mass., April 24, 2007 – Avid Technology, Inc., today announced that its Consumer division, Pinnacle Systems is launching the next-generation Pinnacle Studio line of video editing software. Scheduled to reach store shelves in May 2007, the Pinnacle Studio 11 family is designed to meet the needs of a wide range of video enthusiasts with three products – Studio, Studio Plus and Studio Ultimate. The product family offers powerful video creation and sharing capabilities that address the latest consumer video trends, including support for new HD media types like AVCHD, the new operating system Microsoft Windows Vista, and Web publishing for online video sharing.
“There are key trends happening from High Definition becoming truly accessible for video consumers, the proliferation of user generated content on the web and the introduction of new operating systems like Windows Vista,” said Jeff Hastings, general manager for Pinnacle Systems. “Over the past months, we have focused on bringing the best tools to our Pinnacle Studio application for our users to take full advantage of these latest trends in video creation and consumption. AVCHD editing, HD DVD disc burning and one-click publishing to the web are among the new capabilities we are introducing with Pinnacle Studio 11, while preserving the intuitive, user-friendly experience for which our Studio software has become famous.”
Pinnacle Studio version 11
Designed to simplify video editing for entry level users or those who want to move beyond the capabilities of free solutions, Pinnacle Studio contains several automated and time-saving features that let customers archive their video memories or create entertaining movies in a few easy steps. The new one-click Web publishing feature enables users to quickly publish their videos to Yahoo! Video for public viewing.
Pinnacle Studio Plus version 11
Pinnacle Studio Plus includes all of the intuitive features of Pinnacle Studio, and adds a host of advanced editing, effects and authoring options. The extensive range of features includes a complete HD workflow, with native HDV and AVCHD editing, and HD DVD disc burning. Users can burn discs on a standard DVD burner using standard DVD discs, and depending on the format, can play them on the latest HD DVD players.
Pinnacle Studio Ultimate version 11
New to the Pinnacle Studio family, Pinnacle Studio Ultimate combines Pinnacle Studio Plus with a selection of highly-acclaimed, fully integrated professional audio and video tools. Designed for the most serious video enthusiasts who demand more control over the quality and look of their video creations, Pinnacle Studio Ultimate includes BIAS Inc.’s SoundSoap audio cleaning tools, dramatic lighting and ‘film look’ effects from ProDAD VitaScene, precision Panning and Zooming with StageTools MovingPicture, and a Chroma Key green screen backdrop for easy-to-achieve professional results.
The entire Pinnacle Studio version 11 line includes other enhancements that improve the video editing experience. For example, the scalable user interface not only lets users keep the tools at their fingertips while they get in close to their work-in-progress, but it integrates easily with today’s widescreen monitors. In addition, the Scorefitter music generation tool will create a soundtrack to match the exact length and mood of a video almost instantly. Scorefitter’s large sample file size (48k) equates to higher fidelity results, so home movies will sound better than ever before. And, with more than 40 source tracks and a wide range of variations, the possibilities are nearly infinite. This latest release also demonstrates improved loading and file export speeds, and is compatible with the Windows Vista operating system.
Pinnacle Studio version 11 family availability
The Pinnacle Studio, Pinnacle Studio Plus and Pinnacle Studio Ultimate will be priced at MRSPs of £39.99, £69.99 and £89.99 (GB) respectively and should begin reaching e-tail and retail store shelves in May, 2007. Upgrades from the Pinnacle Studio version 10 family to version 11 are also available for a fee.
Source: Pinnacle Systems Europe Press Release and reproduced here by me as a Public Service!
Edit: Here's the SimplyDV take on the release
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AndyB01
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Don't say I didn't warn you - I'll allow my new Avatar to express my feelings on the matter. Needless to say that once Pinnacle produce one of those - I'll be upgrading to Studio 11. 
Andy
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Colin
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| Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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I can't wait to install a pre-release Beta in the morning (Wed 25th). Or can I????
Colin 
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flyfisher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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How does Scorefitter determine the 'mood' of the video I wonder?
I love the avatar Andy
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AndyB01
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| flyfisher wrote: | How does Scorefitter determine the 'mood' of the video I wonder?
I love the avatar Andy |
Glad you like it!
Scorefitter sounds like an adaptation of Smartsound Mood Mapping where you can manually tailor the track to take out certain instruments - like the drum groove for example - but you have to buy the special expensive SSound tracks to be able to do this.
I don't know why Pinnacle has abandoned Smartsound - did they have a corporate falling out (Colin?) The move to midi audio intrigues me also - I am no expert with midi by any means but there are so many variables to consider, not least of which the sound device on the host PC and the quality of the soft synths available.
Still - we'll see when the reviews come in but my instincts tell me that once again Pinnacle has bitten off far more than it can chew. If they have - this will kill the Studio brand stone dead in my view - however loyal the user base they surely won't stand for the kind of nonsense they had with 10 twice. (I know I won't).
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flyfisher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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Midi? I must have missed that but that's put me right off it now. I've never heard anything decent come out of a midi file/player. Oh dear 
As for user base loyalty, maybe they rely on a 'rolling' user base that takes, say, 3 major versions before they can't take any more. So each major release only pushes a portion of the loyal user base to their wits end.
I was loyal through 7, 8 & 9 but bailed out at 10. I know you persevered to 10; what did you start with?
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AndyB01
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| flyfisher wrote: | Midi? I must have missed that but that's put me right off it now. I've never heard anything decent come out of a midi file/player. Oh dear
I was loyal through 7, 8 & 9 but bailed out at 10. I know you persevered to 10; what did you start with? |
I started with 9!
Don't be too quick to diss MIDI - it's highly configurable and flexible too - the problem is that it is just instructions and completely reliant on the synths that are either in the soundcard, in the MIDI controller itself or other third party program (VST). There are some wonderful VSTs around - I use Cakewalk's Dimension Pro which has an amazing sound library (shame my talents don't match its versatility) but the point is that although most people that use video editing software know a bit about audio they may not know MIDI and are unlikely in many cases to have access to a prosumer soundcard and midi sequencer - unless they're all running Macs in which case they can use GarageBand.
I haven't seen the details yet on how Pinnacle propose to use this but - like you - I have doubts.
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flyfisher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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A friend has a midi keyboard and bought an external synth unit - Yamaha I think - and, to be fair, he gets some wonderful sounds from it - albeit at a price.
I suppose it's already possible to use different encoders when rendering so perhaps it's not such a big step to be able to use different quality synths to generate the audio - assuming that feature is used. Personally, I prefer to used CDs for my music, but I appreciate that's not always so simple for commercial projects.
As for starting with S9, well that blows my theory of 'three-release-loyalty', or maybe 10 was really bad
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rogs
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| AndyB01 wrote: |
Don't be too quick to diss MIDI - it's highly configurable and flexible too - the problem is that it is just instructions and completely reliant on the synths that are either in the soundcard, in the MIDI controller itself or other third party program (VST).
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I've never been able to really 'get my head round' the amazing things that are possible with MIDI - I left the tech side of the music business just before MIDI arrived - indeed, I remember the various manufacturers discussing the setting up of the standard in the early 1980's.
To be fair, it has turned out to be a reasonably universal standard - not something that happens often these days!!
Once I got my PC, I remember trying out general MIDI sets, and having a dabble with sequencing in Fruity Loops and Cubase, but my heart wasn't in it, and everything sounded like 'techno' to me!
I did enjoy one challenge though - we had a running gag some time ago, where we were trying to convince someone that a particular friend was a bit if a jazz trumpet player, and set about making a recording that needed to sound sufficiently amateur to be convincing --I didn't think sounding amateur would be too difficult!
So, using a midi keyboard and some petty good soundfonts, I had a go -but quickly realised that although I could get away with 'sequencing' the drums, all the other parts were going to have to be played by hand, to have any chance of sounding real - sequencing just sounded too mechanical.
So I used the keyboard to play the string bass, guitar and piano, along with the trumpet solo, by multitraking one instrument at a time straight into Cool Edit, and mixing down.
As I said earlier, I had no trouble making it sound amateur -- and it didn't convince the doubter!
Short extract here, if you want a laugh 
I'm not sure that it's quite how MIDI is intended to be used ! |
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AndyB01
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:51 am Post subject: |
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Sounds fine to me - that's how I use MIDI - just build it up track by track. Agree it can be lots of techno and loops but if you ignore all that, use good quality synths and know what you're doing (this second part has always been my downfall) you can get very professional sounding results (your demo case in point Rogs).
Brass, wind and guitar are always problematic though to get the subtlety of brass and wind instruments and the strumming or plucking of a guitar. If you can actually play a certain instrument (one reason why MIDI is so popular is that you can make reasonable sounds without actually being able to) then there is often no substitute for mic'ing it up and recording as an audio track. Of course you can't then play around with tempo, key etc like you can with midi.
| Quote: | | As for starting with S9, well that blows my theory of 'three-release-loyalty', or maybe 10 was really bad |
Truly awful - I sent the first purchase back to Amazon for a refund stating it was not fit for purpose and - amazingly - they paid up! When did you last get a refund on a piece of software that was out of the shrink wrap - try that at PC World and see how far you get!
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David Lewis
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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Ive been a fan of Pinnacle studio since version 7. back then you had to buy Pinnacle express a seperate package to burn DVD's. The method for creating chapters was a bit weird but it worked.
Studio 8 was a disaster IMHO but 9 was much improved and 9.4.3 is still working and working well on my old 2Mhz machine.
Never bothered with 10 as it wouldnt run on my machine but at just under £90 I might be tempted to install 11 on a new machine when I get one.
I have to say that Ive never found any other video editing software so intuitive and thats why i think pinnacle has a hold over us. |
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flyfisher
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| rogs wrote: | Short extract here, if you want a laugh
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That's no laughing matter - it sounds pretty damn good to me!
I think I must have only heard 'techno'-type midi stuff before. I must cleary take it more seriously in future.
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rogs
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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That's the problem -- most peoples' encounter with MIDI is via the automatically sequenced 'techno' experience, or those horrid MIDI files, which derive their sounds from an on board General MIDI set.
There are some terrific sound samples about, which can be 'played' via a MIDI keyboard, but as Andy points out, there are two problems - firstly it's useful to be able to actually play keyboard a bit and secondly, it's not at all easy to reproduce other instruments well from a keyboard. Even that short sample I posted (you are too kind with your comments ) shows how difficult it is to 'think' trumpet on a keyboard -- the sound sample wasn't at all bad, but there are clearly some moments that give it away as a keyboard --grace notes that you couldn't play on a trumpet, that sort of thing.
Now, if you want to hear an impressive sampled extract, controlled by MIDI, have a listen to this
Remember, everything is sampled -strings, horns, percussion --even the harp at the end, and AFAIK, is all played via a MIDI keyboard.
It'll be ineresting to see how Pinnacle are going to employ the new MIDI options --- probably using sequenced standard MIDI sets, I fear  ! |
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AndyB01
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| rogs wrote: | | Now, if you want to hear an impressive sampled extract, controlled by MIDI, have a listen to this |
Like it - very 'Titanic' - one day my midi work will sound like that, until then you'll have to make do with the sort of lame efforts posted by Skier on the royalty free audio forum on here. 
I have improved the mix a bit since the one posted on here though so at least the instruments aren't all stacked up in the middle of your head but it remains WIP.
Andy
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I have improved the mix a bit since the one posted on here thoughAndy |
Let me have remixes as you are happy with them and I'll upload them.
Graham
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