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Prophecies of Nostradamus and beyond
The Discussion Board of the website http://ww-iii.tripod.com and its mirror site http://www.angelfire.com/psy/nostradamus relating to prophecies on the World War III and Global changes
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safe
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 Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: < < < < . Palin in 2012 . > > > > |
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Palin in 2012
We might as well establish the "official thread" for the Sarah Palin candidacy for 2012 because it does seem to be gathering momentum.
Saturday Night Live produced a humorous skit about it last night:
http://www.freep.com/article/20091122/BLOG36/91122006/1005/news03/President-Palin?-SNL-offers-its-take
As things evolve in time we can track her progress here.
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America is in a mood for "revenge" on the leadership right now and Sarah Palin represents "the people" in a nasty mood taking their country back from politicians that are seen as corrupt and not representing the people anymore.
This is "payback".
(and it's only a few years away)
...it becomes clear how the "Chiren Consciousness" emerges because circumstances now have prepared the way.
(very interesting how things take twists you don't expect on their way to the designated outcome)
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safe
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safe
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Prophetic Images
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safe
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Sarah as Cavewoman
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safe
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Palin as Hunter
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solesurvivor
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Yeppers, no dount about it safie..yo uare right in saying that Plain will give the power back to the people of the U.S...and she wont be bought out or influenced by the parastie lobbyists, Israel zionists or big corporations..
she really is a complete represtnation of the christian conservative republicans, with her $3000 a piece outfits and 4 hours worth of makeup for each photo shoot..
go to utube and search " Palin exorcism" and watch this bimbo in action....
The sad thing is, that safe seems like he would vote for republican even if he knew it resulted in WW3 ....thats how devoted safe is to his party...
sad.....you should be ahsamed safie. |
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safe
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The Third Anti-Christ
Technically speaking the "third anti-christ" is Putin in WWIII.
Palin happens to be president at the time and that annoys Putin enough to cause him to start WWIII, but it's really not Palins fault.
Palin has the "Chiren Spirit" that we are all waiting for... so it's just the way it must be... the future is pretty much already written.
You're probably not going to be able to change the future by anything you say solesurvivor... does that bother you?
Does your fundamental "impotence" in changing the flow of history ever bother you?
(in a sense your career as a propagandist is a futile quest because what will happen will happen) |
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solesurvivor
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I dont try and change the future as it is directly related to the corruptions of our government, banksters, politicans and religions..
I recognize thier evils and powers and refuse to let them easily use me as a puppet for the propagandas...
you however, seem to enjoy playing the 1 sided political game that the powers behind the scenes WANT you and society to fall for.
how does it feel to be so manipulated by corruptors ? |
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solesurvivor
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Now safe, why dont you tell us all how you are so devoted to the republican party, that you will vote for their candidate no matter how bad, evil or unitelligent they seem to be .
I wonder if you personally were ordered to go over to Iraq or afgahnsatain and give your life for those wars supported by your king BUSH, if you would still be so devoted to the republican party ?
I wonder if Palin is elected and a huge war occurs under here orders with Iran or Russia, if you would be so willing to go overseas and sacrifice your life for her and the republican party ?
I refuse to support any delusional politican that claims God tells them things, or God orders them to start wars with other nations. Go watch the sarah Palin exorcism on utube...and then you try and tell me this woamn is gonna be so great for america ?
these fuckers are DANGEROUS...and if you and others vote for em and they win , I onyl hope you and all the others suffer the most for their evils and sick cultlike attitudes. .
Its one thing to have a unpopular president, its quite another to have a president who wants to bring about the " end time religous scenario " and start wars with other nations based on their religous beleifs or claims of rightesouness or hearing gods voice.
how could you vote for such people safe ? |
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mike
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The fifth vision had to do with the moral problem of our age, centering mostly around women. God showed me that women began to be out of their place with the granting of the vote. Then they cut off their hair, which signified that they were no longer under the authority of a man but insisted on either equal rights, or in most cases, more than equal rights. She adopted men's clothing and went into a state of undress, until the last picture I saw was a woman naked except for a little fig leaf type apron. With this vision I saw the terrible perversion and moral plight of the whole world.
Taken from "The Church Age Book", Chapter 9, William Branham |
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Davross
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| Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:59 am Post subject: |
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m:
"until the last picture I saw was a woman naked except for a little fig leaf type apron. With this vision I saw the terrible perversion and moral plight of the whole world.
Taken from "The Church Age Book", Chapter 9, William Branham"
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mike
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safe
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I try not to "judge".
The one thing I can say is that women are central to the times we live in and it appears that one of them just so happens to be the "authority" at the time of the war.
My goal is to be "non-judgemental" about events. (impartial)
Bush seems to have been legitimately admired by Nostradamus... people might scoff at that idea, but the more events transpire and we see Obama unable to think clearly about how to handle things the more we have to conceed that Bush was strong in a tough time. History will record Bush as better at "holding the line" than has been acknowledged.
Sarah Palin?... is she a "Great King"? Probably not... but she just happens to be the leader of America when the "Third Anti-Christ" (Putin) starts WWIII. Palin is not at fault... Putin is to blame.
Also... let's not forget that the northern "Brother" (Russia) quickly changes sides after what looks like a Putin based decision to start WWIII. So the real "evil" isn't even in America... it's in Russia. Putin dies early in WWIII. (he dies immediately)
The Russians quickly realize their mistake and switch to Chirens side... the West... |
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safe
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| Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Palin Hating - A New Sport?
People that are part of the anti-socialism movements of all forms (Tea Party Protests, Conservative Media Viewers, etc) tend to be appreciative of the arrival of Palin as the likely "answer" to kill off the socialists.
The socialists are naturally terrified that "the people" might rise up and throw them out of power and so a new "sport" has been created which is:
"Palin Hating"
...almost every day there is some news article making an attempt to hurt Sarah, but the more vicious the attacks the stronger she gets because she's seen as a "heroic victim" fighting against the "evil socialists" who are making a grab for more power.
People love the underdog...
The socialists would have been a lot smarter to have ignored Palin because she would have likely vanished into obscurity. By continuing to attack her and make her look heroic it just magnifies her status.
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safe
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Palin ------------------------- Iran --- Russia
If you've heard Sarah Palin talk about Russia you hear the early foundations for conflict. Unlike Obama (who is a complete narcissistic socialist fool) with Sarah Palin the situation with Russia is very real.
Sarah "gets it".
Russia is the principle backer of Irans nuclear program and for Palin this makes perfect sense because she realized that our "other brother" is a competitor to us and that they are trying to destabilize whatever America tries to do. If America tries to create a stable environment in the middle east, then Russia will help our enemies (Iran) to make the situation less stable. Obama cannot see any truths that don't reinforce has vanity, so he simply decides not to know.
2012
It's sooooo obvious how this could play out.... Obama continues to flounder and Russia feels it's winning. (which it is) When Palin gets elected she quickly reverses every stupid move that Obama has made and this is perceived as a threat and a setback to Russia. The final sequence of how WWIII is triggered is pretty murky, but it might involve an attack on Irans nuclear power plants. Russia sees this as an intrusion on "their friend" (Iran) and the war begins. However, it might just as easily begin with the Iranians attacking Megiddo by using their "sponsored terrorists" and a nuclear bomb. We just can't know for sure.
I'm not saying that this is the absolute prediction or anything, but by now anyone still reading this must realize that the trend now is going to go towards the "Chiren Consciousness" eventually. (Palin holds this thinking)
Nostradamus appears to still be on track... |
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safe
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Artwork Continues...
There seems to be an unrelenting stream of artwork being created... most in parady of Sarah Palin, but some in praise:
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solesurvivor
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How can you claim that Nosty seems on " track' ..when he never even mentions a womans name as being U.S president..nor does he mention a woman being U.S president during WW3 ?
SAFE, WHAT DA FUK ARE YOU SMOKING ?
Ive watched about a dozen interviews with Palin ,
this woman might be stupidier then BUSH...and thats saying alot.
IMHO..people are scared of Palin, not because she is republican, but because she is uninformed twit .
What is really happening here is this..
the diehard republicna voters will vote for Palin, just because she is republican. what a dangerous and irrational system of support , in which supporters of both partys like to play .
Safe, go watch the Palin exorcism on utube...watch her pastor who speaks like popeye , pray for her..LOL..
AND YOU SUPPORT THESE LOONS ? you should be ashamed safe.
If you really wish to support the republicnas, then maybe you should support republicans who actually have knowledge and make sense...people like Ron Paul .
sarah palin ? LOL.... |
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safe
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What is the "Chiren Consciousness?"
Ultimately you have to have gotten a "sense" for the framework of this coming war and who is who and what they think.
 In the case of the "brother" of the north (Russia) that starts the war it "happens" and they then quickly change their minds and later become joined with Chiren. (Putin dies at the start of the war)
In the case of the other "brother" of the north (America) it will be in a position to support Chiren immediately because they begin the war on the same side.
Clearly... if you were to ask:
"Does Obama possess the 'Chiren Consciousness'?"
...the answer is a loud and confident "No". Obama is a narcissistic fool who cannot see reality because his own vanity gets in the way. He is blocked from seeing reality by the rosy glasses of self centered idealism.
However, Sarah Palin seems perfectly matched for history and is the perfect person to have been made president preceeding the Russian attack. She simply fits the framework. (no emotions, just an observation of fact)
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Ultimately the "Third Anti-Christ" looks to be Putin as the hidden "underground" power broker in Russia that causes the war. People foolishly think that Russia stopped it's attempt to undermine the West back on the 1990's, but ever since Putin the hidden power (organized crime, KGB, sponsorship of terrorism, etc) have a desire to re-extend their power again.
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The "bottom line" on all this is that everything seems to be in line with prophecies with Russia funding the Iranian nuclear programs and in America a turn away from socialism towards the "Chiren Consciousness" just before the war.
You may not see it... but it's perfectly clear to me.
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When Obama got elected I thought:
"Wow, this seems wrong, like it's out of place in the flow of history."
...but now it makes "sense". It's the complete failure of Obama that gives the motivation for Americans to attain the "Chiren Consciousness". The "Chiren Consciousness" is simply when people get fed up with bullshit and start cracking down on all the bad actors in the world.
What had seemed "wrong" now is clearly "correct" after all.
It's the "ah ha" experience... now it all fits... clarity returns... |
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solesurvivor
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| Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:42 am Post subject: |
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it only " fits" if Palin decides to run and WIN the presidency...
But once again, I ask this..
IF NOSTY IS THE KING OF ALL PROPEHTS...WHERE IS THE NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN THAT CLEARLY DISCUSSES AND PREDICTS A WOMAN U.S PRESIDENT THAT IS IN CHARGE DURING WW3 ?
how could nosty not forsee such a epic and historic occurrence, and not even mention it in his writings ?
Nosty doesnt mention Palin....he doesnt mention a woman winning the presidency in the U.S { CERTAINLY THAT ALONE IS A GROUNDBREAKING HISTORIC EVENT} NOR DOES NOSTY MENTION a woman being the president during ww3 ?
My opinion :
Trying to base ones life or the future upon self proclaimed prophets, is like a dog chasing its own tail.
I personally believe that Palin has a shot at being a U.S president , but if that happens, then thats just more proof, to me, that Nosty once again failed.
WHERES THE PREDICTION FROM NOSTY ABOUT IT ? |
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safe
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| solesurvivor wrote: | | WHERE IS THE NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN THAT CLEARLY DISCUSSES AND PREDICTS A WOMAN U.S PRESIDENT THAT IS IN CHARGE DURING WW3 ?? |
Because Palin isn't the Third Anti-Christ... it's Putin
(that's why... Palin is NOT the source of the problem)
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hAow61U7kW5ktEJ4qIzEUoLSeI4AD9CBVNR00
MOSCOW — In an electric four-hour solo performance on live television, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said he will think about whether to reclaim the presidency — one of the strongest signals yet that he may run again for Russia's top office in 2012.
We will likely see:
Putin + Palin = WWIII
(a simple formula)
Neighbors of the North... (brothers of the north)
Nostradamus only talks about the Third Anti-Christ and so he only refers to Putin... Sarah gets no mention because she isn't the one that starts the war.
In the "big picture" Sarah Palin is irrelevant to the timeline... her role is small... |
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safe
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Sarah With Real Barbarians (at party)
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safe
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solesurvivor
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Safe, I am dissapointed that someone like yourself with a 125 I.Q seems to so willingly and enjoyably fall for the political partsianship games that the corrupt powers behind the scenes want us to fall for.
seriously dude , stop spending your time on the rightwing websites, talkshows , photo gallerys and propagnda venues and try and find 90 minutes to watch something of enlightening and factual programming that accurately describes the world today :
THEY LIVE : John Carpenter.
cmon safe, you can do it....you can watch the movie for free on utube...I will supply the link : ....take some time out from your precious south park show .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYJIIPs-5rQ&feature=related
PAY ATTENTION TO EVERYTHING...the analogies , the undertones , the incredible factual references to our world today, and the world of tommorrow . |
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safe
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/07/palin-willing-obama/
Palin 'Would Be Willing' to Take On Obama in 2012
...looks like the Brother Branham prophecy will eventually come true. We really will have a woman in a "position of authority" in America when WWIII happens. (some time after 2012)
Putin is still the one that makes the first move, but Palin is there on the other end to take it.
It's really happening... |
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Davross
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So what do they call the Palin supporters?
"Palindrones" dumb and reckless that's the way to go! |
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safe
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Obama is a disciple of Saul Alinsky and his methodology was to destroy America by increasing government spending on entitlements. Obama is trying to wreck America and is doing a good job, but he's really only adding to previous progressives that managed to bend Fannie Mae to change it's rules and allow the housing bubble.
From the standpoint of America being "stupid" you can't get much worse than to elect someone that wants to wreck the country already. (Obama)
I wouldn't worry about Sarah Palin being able to hold her own in the future. Russia will be the aggressor and it will be Palins strong backbone that forces the confrontation.
Putin is the Third Anti-Christ... if you haven't figured that out yet. (he dies in the exchange of nukes at the beginning)
Remember:
The war starts with the "Two Brothers" (America and Russia) fighting each other but it ends with America and Russia united behind Chiren. Russia is the guilty party at the start of WWIII, not America.
Palin has a "Chiren Soul". 
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mike
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| Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| safe wrote: |
Palin has a "Chiren Soul".
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Are you on any medications? |
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safe
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Palin comes from an "Old World" mentality much like the Founding Fathers of America. Chiren represents the "Old World" mindset as well.
They think along the same wavelengths so to speak.
In America now we have Obama who is a Saul Alinsky progressive and that's the polar opposite of Chiren. A year ago when he got elected it didn't make any sense because it seemed like things were going in the wrong direction based on Nostradamus, but now it makes sense because Obama's such a disaster that people are now eager to move the other way.
It makes perfect sense to see the spiritual unity of Palin and Chiren as they represent a movement to an "Old World" mindset. It's the same direction.
You have to admit that Chiren is "Old World" right?
Nostradamus likes the "Old World" monarch types and does not like the rest.
Palin is NOT Chiren however... but it will be a preliminary step for America to have Palin during a return to "Old World" thinking prior to joining Chiren later in the war. |
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mike
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| safe wrote: |
It makes perfect sense to see the spiritual unity of Palin and Chiren as they represent a movement to an "Old World" mindset. It's the same direction.
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I don't think that Chiren will identify himself with any particular nation or political party let alone the REPUBLICANS.
What makes you so sure that America would be led by a REPUBLICAN if War breaks out?
You might recall that America's WW1 leader was the DEMOCRAT Woodrow Wilson.
During WW11 it was Roosevelt another DEMOCRAT
The escalation of the Viet Nam War occurred under Johnson ( a DEMOCRAT.
The DEMOCRAT Obama's 2010 military budget surpasses Bush's by $20 billion. |
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safe
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You're out in Austrailia and probably not getting good information on what is going on in America. Both of the old parties (Republicans and Democrats) are being perceived as corrupt. Dissatisfaction with Obama continues to grow and he's unable to even get his own party to go along with his very radical (Saul Alinsky) socialist agenda and now that the debt is out of control no one has any faith in him anymore.
Out of nowhere this new political movement emerged called the Tea Party movement which is a move back to the "Old World" of thinking.
The new dynamic is that this new movement is now starting to control events and they are selecting who will be elected. So, for example, if a Republican seat is open the person that fills it has to pass a "purity test" based on these new principles.
Anyway... long story short... the old Republican / Democrat dynamic is being "influenced" by a party that actually represents people that want smaller government. Bush is considered to have been in error for growing the government too much and creating too much debt. Obama is seen as even worse. Sarah Palin is in a good position to lead the Tea Party movement and if she does successfully it will get her elected in 2012. No Republican only or Democratic only candidate is going to do well for a while... both sides need to accomodate the third party. Palin will still run as a Republican, but she will do so as a Tea Party Republican. It's possible that many Blue Dog Democrats will run as Tea Party Democrats. (get it?)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/16/815452/-Poll:-Tea-Party-Higher-Approval-than-Dems-and-Repubs
More than four in 10, 41%, of respondents said they had a very or somewhat favorable view of the Tea Party movement, while 24% said they had a somewhat or very negative view of the group. The Tea Party movement gained notoriety over the summer following a series of protests in Washington, D.C. and other cities over government spending and other U.S. economic policies.
Meanwhile, the Democratic Party, which controls both the White House and Congress, has a 35% positive rating compared with a 45% negative rating.
The Republican Party identifies closest to the Tea Party movements ideology, but the group has also caused splits within the GOP. Republicans currently hold a 28% favorability rating compared with a 43% negative
Since the Tea Party represents something almost "virginal" in it's purity it sheds the corruption of the present day and brings back the kind of "Old World" values that Nostradamus likes. Nostradamus generally liked decent people and disliked all the nasty corrupted people... so he would naturally like an honest, but strong leader like Chiren and probably also be accepting of a Sarah Palin.
Palin represents an "Old World" back-to-basics sincerity in politics that hasn't been seen for a while.
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mike
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| safe wrote: | | You're out in Austrailia and probably not getting good information on what is going on in America. |
We live in a global village these days Safe.
i.e. We get live US television as well as the usual media updates on the internet. Thats how I was able to begin the PALIN FOR 2012 thread seven months before you began this one. ' '
Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: Palin to run for President in 2012
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safe
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Sorry about that...
As I recall there had been a few threads on the topic and I decided to make one that stood out and put a little effort in filling it with images.
The root of all of this has to be the Brother Branham prophecy of a woman in a position of authority at the time of WWIII. Solesurvivor has beaten me up over and over for things not going in that direction in a straight line, but if you allow for bizarre twists and turns it does seem to be happening.
Anyway...
Sarah Palin is in a strong position to win in 2012 and so things seem to be on track to fulfill the prophecy.
We should not have too much "ego" about ownership of this though because it's really not our own vision, but a vision of someone else.
But you win the prize... you got there first and posted first! |
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Davross
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| Oh dear some HW from Alaska who dog whistles to order is going need more than a backbone in the coming years Yes I do believe Putin is the 3rd AC but he is also not a Biblical character as neither Napoleon or Hitler were, but the best bit Safe glibs over and that is the defeat of the USA and enslavement of it's Anglo populace, off to death camps good ole Sara! |
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safe
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Obama does clearly want to destroy America and so your vision of the defeat of the white man is being played out every day here now... however... you are missing the fact that people don't like it and are starting to wake up to the attack.
The Tea Party will defeat the Obama enslavement.
...so your dream doesn't come true.
Let's not forget that it is the Islamic radicals that Chiren places into prisons in WWIII.
Obama will lose, Islamic radicals will lose, in the end Chiren (who is a conservative) will win and be the sole victor as leader of the world. Sarah Palin is just a small character preceeding Chiren, but she is pointed in the right direction. |
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Davross
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Who cares about your rather corrupt electoral system always heralded as something to behold as a paragon of honesty and transparency!
Palin Obama are just tools of the fools known as the Gatekeepers in your land Obama would not have got in, but for the incompetency of the former incumbent no doubt a mega Obama will take up from the ruins of a Palin Huckerby/Romny fiasco so it goes the denialists refuse to concede and meanwhile the debt mounts, Until..... the Debt Payer wipes out the western economy! |
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mike
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Davross
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Just found a Safe manifesto:
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Like recurring nightmares, conspiracy theories aren't necessarily gone for good just because they disappear for a while. They often come back, sometimes in slightly different forms. Their last golden age came during the middle of the Bush administration, which saw rumors from the political left about connections between the Bushes and the bin Ladens, insinuations about the military-industrial complex and the Patriot Act—actually, pretty much every plotline in Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11. Nothing breeds paranoid theories like political exile, which means that with Democrats back in the White House, it's the right's turn to take up the standard, a task it isn't shirking. And of course, several leftist theories remain in circulation. If you're having a hard time keeping all these paranoid points of view straight, here's a handy primer.
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1. Barack Obama was not born in the United States.
It's not clear where he must have been born instead: some say Indonesia; some say Kenya (initial suggestions that Hawaiian natives weren't citizens when he was born in Honolulu in 1961 were quickly dismissed). The point, so-called birthers say, is that he wasn't born in the good old US of A, hence isn't a natural-born citizen and therefore cannot legally be president.
Proponents: Chief birther and Beverly Hills dentist and attorney Orly Taitz, WorldNetDaily editor Joseph Farah, Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.), former presidential and Senate candidate Alan Keyes, assorted tea partiers.
Kernel of Truth? It's fully debunked. Forged Kenyan birth certificates have been exposed, and—despite protestations to the contrary—Obama's birth certificate has been certified by the state of Hawaii, and images have been shown on national television. And that's leaving aside plenty of circumstantial proof, like birth announcements in both major Hawaiian papers from August 1961.
2. Anthropogenic global warming is a hoax. Proponents of the theory that the earth's temperature is rising—especially Al Gore and the United Nations—are trying to pull the wool over the world's eyes. Some believers say that warming is negligible in the scope of geological history, and many argue that even if warming is happening, it's not because of human activity. The goals of Gore and his ilk, they say, are to kill market competition, encourage socialist control, keep scientists' research coffers filled, and/or work to bring about a one-world government by giving the U.N. power to regulate the climate and by eroding national sovereignty.
Proponents: Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), rogue Canadian climate scientist Tim Ball, journalist and British aristocrat Lord Christopher Monckton, Sarah Palin, National Review.
Kernel of Truth? Deniers have long taken advantage of scientists' cautious statements, and "Climategate" breathed new life into the movement, but the science stands: warming is real, and it's caused by human actions.
3. Goldman Sachs intentionally created the economic crisis.
Swooping in from the left, Rolling Stone screed-master Matt Taibbi argued in July that investment bank Goldman Sachs, "a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity," has for years created bubbles (dotcom, real estate) while betting against them. As a result, it reaps gains from the run-up but also wins big in the collapse because of its hedges. Ergo, Goldman Sachs created the financial crisis for its own gain. A less virulent strain of this theory notes the many former Goldman execs (Hank Paulson, Robert Rubin, Joshua Bolten, Neel Kashkari, etc.) in government and posits that they have designed the government's economic policy to help the firm.
Proponents: Matt Taibbi, journalist Robert Scheer, Glenn Beck, the Pragmatic Capitalist, the blogosphere.
Kernel of Truth? Goldman undoubtedly did better than any competitor from the financial crisis, and CEO Lloyd Blankfein even admitted—albeit cryptically—that the company had "participated in things that were clearly wrong." This theory is tougher than others to debunk fully, because there's no empirical data available either way. Nonetheless, while Goldman may have profited, that alone doesn't prove malice or conspiracy.
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4. Democrats' health plan will create death panels. Part of Barack Obama's devious plan to reform health insurance will be the creation of panels of experts who will decide whether or not patients are "worth" treating, making them arbiters of life and death.
Proponents: Sarah Palin,Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), a lot of angry town-hall-meeting attendees.
Kernel of Truth? Palin was apparently referring to a provision of draft legislation that would have funded consultation about end-of-life care. There was and is, however, no plan for rationing care as a cost-cutting measure, and fact-checking outlet PolitiFact named the theory the "Lie of the Year" in 2009.
5. Barack Obama is a secret Muslim. Drawing many of the same backers as the birther movement, this theory claims that Obama was indoctrinated into Islam while living in Indonesia during his childhood. They worry Obama is trying to undermine America's Judeo-Christian heritage, institute Islamic religious law, betray Israel to the Arabs, and perhaps even allow Al Qaeda to win the war on terror.
Proponents: Anonymous chain e-mail, Libyan dictator Muammar Kaddafi, Swift Boater and propaganda wizard Jerome Corsi.
Kernel of Truth? Nope. Obama belonged to a Christian church in Chicago (for which he ironically also caught flack) and has a record of unambiguous support for Israel and hawkish policies on eradicating Al Qaeda's strongholds in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
6. Sarah Palin is not the mother of her 1-year-old son, Trig.
Someone else—perhaps even her daughter Bristol—is.
Proponents: Journalist and blogger Andrew Sullivan and … well, that's about it. Perhaps also Joy Behar.
Kernel of Truth? No. Sullivan has couched the whole thing as just pointing out minor discrepancies and asking for reasons—not directly making accusations. Palin has understandably refused to dignify these questions with responses. No one else has picked up the theory publicly, although privately some liberals regard it as plausible.
7. ACORN is part of a liberal conspiracy to steal elections.
The coalition of community organizations first came under fire after allegations that members were filing fraudulent voter-registration forms in order to beef up the Democratic vote in the 2008 elections. Pressure heated up after a videotaped sting humiliated the group.
Proponents: Glenn Beck, conservative commentators Michelle Malkin and Andrew Breitbart, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), unsuccessful N.Y. Conservative Party congressional candidate Doug Hoffman.
Kernel of Truth? The James O'Keefe videos showed questionable conduct at the very least, but neither they nor anything else proves a vast left-wing conspiracy between Democrats and ACORN to steal elections. |
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