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Allforone1889
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No it's not over quite yet but if results go our way by Easter Monday it all but may be.......However don't forget it's not over till the fat lady sings 
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Darlo@lex
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 WHY does she sing AND what does she sing about ? Whats this saying all about , people use it all the time but what the f... !?
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Boys of the 70's
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quote:
Originally posted by Darlo@lex
WHY does she sing AND what does she sing about ? Whats this saying all about , people use it all the time but what the f... !?
It's to do with opera. Traditionally the women are rather large (it's to do with lung size!) and the biggest one came on at the end of the opera so everybody knew it was the last song. |
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:58 pm |
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DuchyWill
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Originally posted by Darlo@lex
WHY does she sing AND what does she sing about ? Whats this saying all about , people use it all the time but what the f... !?
It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings is a proverb, essentially meaning that one shouldn't assume the outcome of some activity (frequently a sports game) until it has actually finished.
This phrase in turn refers to the impression by many that at the end of every opera, an aria is sung by a heavy-set woman dressed like a valkyrie. A famous example of this is Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen (aka the Ring cycle). This is a set of four separate operas (lasting about 15 hours), in which the final scene includes Brünnhilde (a very large Valkyrie) singing, and then riding onto Siegfried's funeral pyre. The set collapses and the entire cycle ends up in the Rhine river, where it started. The "fat lady" is often illustrated with a horned helmet, a spear, possibly a shield, and possibly blond braids (to suggest Scandinavian ancestry).
It is also a common expression in sports reporting. Although there are earlier similar phrases, it is commonly attributed to writer/broadcaster Dan Cook; his original line was "The opera ain't over till the fat lady sings." This occurred in April 1978, when he coined the phrase after the first basketball game between the San Antonio Spurs and the Washington Bullets (now the Washington Wizards) during the 1977-78 National Basketball Association playoffs, to illustrate that while the Spurs had won once, the series was not over yet.
The phrase has also been attributed to former major league manager Earl Weaver.
However, it is now known that Cook did not coin the phrase; Fred R. Shapiro found and published an example in The Yale Book of Quotations which appeared in the Dallas Morning News on 10 March 1976:
Despite his obvious allegiance to the Red Raiders, Texas Tech sports information director Ralph Carpenter was the picture of professional objectivity when the Aggies rallied for a 72-72 tie late in the SWC tournament finals. "Hey, Ralph," said Bill Morgan, "this... is going to be a tight one after all." "Right," said Ralph. "The opera ain’t over until the fat lady sings."
In the same newspaper on 26 November 2006, Steve Blow followed up the discovery by contacting Bill Morgan about the incident: "Bill vividly remembers the comment and the uproar it caused throughout the press box. He always assumed it was coined on the spot. 'Oh, yeah, it was vintage Carpenter. He was one of the world’s funniest guys,' said Bill, a contender for that title himself."
As a possible alternate origin for the term, there exists an old saying in the Southern United States stating that "church ain't over until the fat lady sings". This form of the line was apparently well known in the South for years, appearing in a booklet in 1976 entitled Southern Words and Sayings.
This saying is often misattributed to Yogi Berra, as he is the originator of the similar line "It ain't over until it's over," which in turn was a corruption of the old baseball truism that, "The game isn't over until the last man is out."
This saying is also often thought to be predominantly used in New York City. Kate Smith, who weighed 235 pounds, performed the national anthem on occasion before Philadelphia Flyers hockey games. Her performances were said to bring good luck to the Flyers and led to the indelicate saying "It ain't BEGUN 'til the fat lady sings!"
HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION!!!!
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:02 pm |
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MOUNTAINEER
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Joined: 25 Aug 2006
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Pardon? Could you say that again.
AND what's Robin's fascination with FAT LADIES? |
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:07 pm |
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leemac
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WHAT ABOUT "ITS NOT OVER TIL THE FAT SCANIAPASTY SINGS" AND THEN WE WILL KNOW.............. |
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:21 pm |
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leemac
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IS THAT A HEN PASTY OR A COCK PASTY????????????? |
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:23 pm |
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Allforone1889
Supporters Club Chairman
Joined: 11 May 2006
Posts: 3289
Location: Truro |
[b] Didn't know a phrase would spark so much comment but thanks Duchy for the in depth explanation.......Ivor I'm with MICA Big Girls they are beautiful  |
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:19 pm |
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scaniapasty
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to my face leemac you knobber
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leemac
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is knobber a type of pasty? is it chicken or full of shot or have i spelt that wrong? |
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:36 pm |
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scaniapasty
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Knobber is a kind of pasty filled with ginger geordies mate...
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Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:55 am |
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Silverlander
Leading The Team Out @ Wembley
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Hmm, we seem to have gone a little off-topic here!
Returning to it, I think it is amusing the way managers comment on the end of season permutations. It is, of course, a legitimate topic for debate but I think we should simply concern ourselves with our team's performance. To coin an overused euphamism, the title race is in our own hands. Win as we have been doing and we have no need to worry about any other club. It will be interesting (assuming we
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Silverlander
Leading The Team Out @ Wembley
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Location: Truro |
quote:
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HOPE THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION!!!!
Just think, if you'd had the same, rather expensive, Xmas crackers as DuchyWill, you could have saved yourself the bother of reading all that! |
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