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Rhoda2 · WK Shurah Member

Amy has asked me to post this disclaimer that she was forced to use of WI.

I wanted to make a general forum announcement because I'm not sure who might have been affected.

In the last few weeks, someone has tried to "spoof" my ID. Two different IDs were created, and you might have seen them: .Aviatrix and Aviatrix. were two that the moderators found, though only after trouble had been caused. The spoof IDs had a profile identical to mine, or seemingly identical. All the profile information was the same, including the inclusion and omission of contact information and birthdates, and the spoofer even created a signature line identical to mine, and used the same avatar I had selected (which is not the current one I have set, btw.) So upon posting or receiving PMs from the user, the only difference would be the "." in the ID which might not be noticed immediately.

So, you see, someone has attempted to post and PM people on the forum appearing to be me. I know in fact the user did post, and did PM people. The message is one discussing a recent news story in Houston, and ICNA, and WhyIslam. The person sending those messages does not speak on behalf of ICNA, Whyislam, or the whyislam forum shura.

You will not find the message on this forum anymore, or the PMs if you received them. (You might have noticed they disappeared, when the ID was deleted.) The same messages, though, have also appeared in the comments section of my blog under an "anonymous" ID that attempts to appear to be me as well, by using my name and linking to my blog.

I did not write or post those messages, or send those PMs, so I'm writing this post to clear my name of the issue. I refuse to get involved, naturally, because I do not have facts from either side of the issue and cannot make informed statements about it. Let me repeat that--I refuse to get involved.

So if you see someone who appears to be me, or possibly appears to even be someone else on the forum (especially shura and moderators) I urge you to beware. If you find PMs encouraging you immediately to visit other blogs and websites which appear to be sent by members of the forum, I am requesting you notify shura to deal with the problem.

I wouldn't have liked to make an announcement about this, but since I've been now associated with these messages by the sender trying to impersonate me, I don't think I have much choice. The tactic is very low and dishonest, and I hope you all understand I am not behind those messages.

In sum:

Someone has tried to post messages discussing a news story dealing with Muslims in Houston and ICNA by appearing to be me, on my blog, and on the forum through posts and PMs. I have no involvement with the group posting those messages nor their website, and urge caution for anyone who comes across such messages, especially as they may appear to come from me or maybe someone else on shura.

Thanks.
Amy

Bill · WK Shurah Member

I was one of those who got a PM from the imposter.

message was:

"Salaams and Hi!

Just a heads up to be careful of who you talk to on ICNA and Whyislam. Some of our members have been caught in violent jihad training and detailed on the Realterror site. What is worse is one of our members ratted them out! May Allah destroy those who work against His Cause! If you want to speak freely without the heavy censorship on Whyislam, it is best to see this link and leave a request to join Whykuffar, a group of former Whyislam members banned for speaking their minds on the forum.

Thanks

WhyIslam Shura"

I thought it odd they did not know I was already a member here.
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Haq al Lugi · WK Shurah Member

That is indeed curious....Ponder that for a moment. If the same message was sent to many people, in a spam-like manner, it wasn't personalized for you. It was more like an advertisement. It directs you to this website, and to Realterror.

giordano · WK Shurah Member

Hi, Rhoda, Bill, Haq

these posts are simply an attempt to cause trouble, and to foster hostility between WI and WK.

Yes, by seemingly advertising our site, it makes us look suspect... all in all, we shouldn't make too much out of it: this is typical spammer behaviour.

By the way, Amy/TwoCents is a highly regarded Member of the WK Shurah... so she can take the word directly on here whenever she wishes.

All the best

G

Haq al Lugi · WK Shurah Member

aoxomoxoa · WK Shurah Member

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giordano · WK Shurah Member

TwoCents · WK Shurah Member

Thanks, I think?

I appreciate you guys trusting me on this, I asked Rhoda to post on my behalf because I am trying to limit the amount of discussion I have to do on this issue in public (because I'm paranoid now.) I didn't say which site because I don't want to promote either site, WK or Realterror, though for different reasons.

I don't really know who is behind the spoofing and it's better that I don't even guess at who, or why. But I don't really have much else to say than that it's not me making those comments, sending those PMs, making those posts, or anyone on WI shura. And I'm confident you all understand that, and why I don't feel it appropriate to continue to comment on the situation anyway.

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Haq al Lugi · WK Shurah Member

Rhoda2 · WK Shurah Member

If I were younger, I think I would be actually fearful of having this Islam inspired internet adventure. Especially when I go over to Ummah.com and read the justifications of death for everyone they don't like.

However, I am a mere weak-minded woman, no conceivable threat to anyone, so I expect I can be left alone on the grounds that I'm dotty in my dottage.

It ain't all bad being old.

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jonfan · WK Shurah Member

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sraphine973 · WK Shurah Member

Sounds a bit like the person impersonating Rhoda on here a while back who was PM'ing everyone and trying to fish for info.

Could it possibly just be our "Steve" causing mischief on WI because he can't get on WK to do it any longer?

Angie.
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Temporary · Site Admin

I just got this message in my e-mail:

"Hello Temporary

You are receiving this email because you have (or someone pretending to be you has) requested a new password be sent for your account on whykuffar? 2. If you did not request this email then please ignore it, if you keep receiving it please contact the board administrator.

To use the new password you need to activate it. To do this click the link provided below."

I didn't request a new password.

giordano · WK Shurah Member

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Apach3 · WK Shurah Member

WOW.

We too have had considerable problems with impersonations, spammers and people trying to stir up everyone against each other. In doing so they are also misrepresenting us. We do not condone the actions of spammers, hackers and impersonators.

It is NOT our blog doing this!

Whoever is doing this, please desist from using our blog to spam or impersonate others.

We are confident that this is another attempt by rogue elements to discredit the facts reported on this blog.

For more information on the spammer/impersonator that has hit this blog on many occasions please see this link:

http://realterror.wordpress.com/2007/05/21/icna-intimidation/

There was much more forging of people's online identities and faketerror posts than we identified on the blog. On one day the blog had over 28 of them! We have done our best to identify this person, be they ICNA or Faketerror people and explored here on WK whether its the same person who hits WK (this Steve person).

Regardless, it seems they are trying to stir up everyone.

In the interest of good faith, if Amy wishes we will put a disclaimer on our blog as well.

I saw a post from an "Anonymous" complaining about impersonations but didnt know who it was from so I deleted it since I didn't know who was complaining or what blog. I apologize but lets work together to stop the spammer.

In the meantime Amy, it is best to turn on comment moderation which is what we were forced to do also.

TwoCents · WK Shurah Member

Why would ICNA promote the REALTERROR blog, which is what was happening?? Why would ICNA promote Whykuffar?? Also was happening.

That doesn't make any sense.

It was my comment you deleted, as Anonymous, complaining about my blog being attacked. I have turned on comment moderation and after a few more attempts by the person I haven't had any more trouble, but I'm forced to leave it on for now.

Anyway, I don't believe you.

giordano · WK Shurah Member

Apach3 · WK Shurah Member

TwoCents · WK Shurah Member

Naturally, ICNA and Whyislam would not promote those sites. The spammer is promoting those sites. And yet you're insinuating that the spammer is inside ICNA and Whyislam.

Inane.

TwoCents · WK Shurah Member

And why did you delete my comments??

You're trying to suggest that someone INSIDE Whyislam is behind this and YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF THAT!!

I also debunked your idea that it was a moderator. It's sick what you're doing, I don't buy it one bit.

giordano · WK Shurah Member

TwoCents · WK Shurah Member

Gio, I think that this Apach3 person is the spammer, actually, because the "spammer" is promoting his site.

That's the best and easiest conclusion. Trying to get his little blog out, he's been all over whyislam, even here maybe, on my blog, and who knows where else, linking to his site and linking to whykuffar. I don't think it's anyone on whykuffar, honestly, because I don't think any of you would stoop to that level.

The realterror site is trying to play that someone in ICNA is doing it. That makes about as much sense as a geology book saying the earth is flat. The realterror site is smearing, even trying to incriminate ICNA and WhyIslam when they haven't actually done anything at all, except expelling one person.

Trying to smear the forums is without sense at all, since the membership is global, and the forum administration and shura are not affiliated with ICNA or WhyIslam, as a general rule. There may be exceptions, but several of the shura members are frequently not even in the USA (Or Canada)

And then he wants the forums to start banning other people who are involved... he calls them "supporters." How the hell is anyone supposed to know who people are on the forum anyway? Most are anonymous, and the people he doesn't like probably aren't even members.

Honestly, the whole affair is seeming to me (thanks to realterror alone) to be nothing more than an elaborate ruse to promote fear of Muslims.

giordano · WK Shurah Member

Rachel · WK Shurah Member

Umm... if I may butt in here... they did expel the one person without warrant or explanation... not that this has anything to do with that, but since it was brought up... not only that, but this person's name was smeared, even if only to a few people. When I questioned this, it was admitted that it was only speculation. I thought that suspicion between brothers wasn't exactly an Islamic behavior, but ok.

Since we're on the subject, wouldn't it have been better for this person to be able to explain himself? To give his side? He wasn't given the chance, even though they knew he couldn't yet speak about the subject. Also, he was only expelled after those on the FakeTerror blog and some WI-Houston members called for him being banned from WI.

They could have avoided it, by giving the benefit of the doubt at least until the cases were over and both sides could speak. But they chose not to.

Anyway, the Realterror blog is convering more than one case. I don't believe they are promoting the fear of Muslims, I believe they are trying to open the eyes of Muslims. We have to take a stand against these people who do terrible things in the name of our religion, as well as the ones who support them.

I don't know who would be spamming all these blogs and forums... sounds a bit 'steve-ish', but who knows? Best thing for all involved would be to screen their comments and keep an eye on the forums for impersonators.

In all reality, everyone should unite and stand together against the challenges we are facing today. 'Muslims' in the US and UK are threatening the lives of innocent people, planning bombings and waging personal war on the governments and the people of these countries. This is not Islam, and this is promoting a hostile environment for the rest of us, the good, hardworking, decent Muslims who want to live in peace... this is putting us all in danger. This is putting our children in danger. How are we going to stop it? How are we, as Muslims, supposed to react and address it? Stay silent? That is not acceptable.

Magnacarta · WK Shurah Member

Rachel said:

This is not Islam, and this is promoting a hostile environment for the rest of us, the good, hardworking, decent Muslims who want to live in peace... this is putting us all in danger. This is putting our children in danger. How are we going to stop it? How are we, as Muslims, supposed to react and address it? Stay silent? That is not acceptable.

Of course, this is absolutely essential. Muslims must be the ones to recapture their religion from its current destructive focus. I often say this to my husband, who becomes just as frustrated as Rachel when he reads or hears about all that is happening "in the name of Allah!". I tell him I am very sorry his religion, which he identifies so deeply from through his culture, is being presented to the world by those who interpret it differently than he. He is the victim of his own Muslim brothers creating suffering for him as a Muslim, can't blame this on those of us on the outside of it all. And by that same measure, we on the outside of it all are NOT able to shift its course in any manner. I am totally unable to make a single difference as a non-Muslim, and the weight is on the shoulders of the "good" Muslims in the world to make a stand. Sadly, there aren't many doing this. It seems their focus is mostly on how they are being victimized by the west, another sad hijacking of the truth that keeps them stuck in the predicament created of their own merit.

They say, if anyone, it will be the "Western Muslims" who will eventually lead the way to recovering the form of Islam that, while scholars may call it idealization, is a more peaceful path of worship. This I can believe, when I compare Rachel's posts to the likes of Silkie, Salah, Saria, Marwan or D2D. (and on and on that list could go.)

But then I am sure these folk consider Rachel, a mere revert from the west, to be just a bit misinformed because she WASN'T born into Islam.

Either way, the future does not look like it will be shifting soon, so I hope the world is braced for the long haul. The worst has not yet even arrived...
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Apach3 · WK Shurah Member