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Post Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:58 am    Post subject: Those joos /jews at it again
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tsk tsk tsk, why are these jews trying to curb 'freedom of speech' and freedom of choice...naughty naughty jooos!!

http://edition.cnn.com/books/news/9908/10/hate.literature/

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You have to go back to my 39th birthday for evidence? Surely there is something a bit more current which supports your contentions. Or are you just looking for dirt wherever you can find it, regardless of its age, pertinence or merit?
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You have to go back to my 39th birthday for evidence? Surely there is something a bit more current which supports your contentions. Or are you just looking for dirt wherever you can find it, regardless of its age, pertinence or merit?


hey i cant take all the credit, i learn all my 'cheating ways' from the likes of you and mr sMENTAL, ....remember your love for salman rushdie and his B*****t book, remind me again, how old is tht story???
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Truth be known, never read it nor have I any desire to. That still doesn't keep me from appreciating Rushdie as a soul put upon by the intolerance of Islam.
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as your such an 'admirer' of rushdie , you should read tht book....then maybe you'll see what a load of rubbish it is, and what a retarded writer your mate rushdie really is
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Well, for the record, and, as a Jew.... I do not stand in agreement with the good folks at the Wiesenthal Center on this kind of thing. I think , as Americans, we've got to continue to encourage people to read not just what various special interest groups would like them to read but to read anything they want to and everything they can get their hands on (including things that a lot of people, Jew or not, might think of as vile and nasty).

I personally feel we've got a strong enough country here, strong enough decent enough people here w/in the general population, where these kinds of books -- whether they're sold over the Internet or right over-the-counter at your friendly neighborhood Borders or Barnes & Noble -- can be allowed to either stand or fall on their own merit(s) (or lack thereof) in the "free marketplace" of ideas. Don't get me wrong I (obviously) am angered and horrified at what they stand for. But I'm confident that these ideas will always continue to "fall" here, whenever they are presented, and in nearly every other civilized country I can think of as well (even in civilized countries where the gov'ts are apparently not as confident and have banned such books). (Actually this piece, from 1999, is based on the Internet shipment of such books to Germany where they are actually illegal to possess -- therefore this hardly applies to Americans in any case).

Still, I don't believe the ideas contained w/in such books will ever again find nearly a large enough & truly "receptive" audience to present any kind of actual danger in & of themselves.
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Truth be known, never read it nor have I any desire to. That still doesn't keep me from appreciating Rushdie as a soul put upon by the intolerance of Islam.


Well, if you ever want to read the best parts of it at least, it's online. Simply scroll down to where it says, Part II: Mahound. It's the story of Jahilliya........pre-Islamic Mecca.


http://books.google.com/books?id=uAJU6x9UlPoC&dq=satanic+verses&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=ooou1oikbd&sig=P19fjnh8ePZlHvyBeOQ1OeYZF34#PPA91,M1
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Saira is Emmanuel Goldstein.
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Baa. Baa.
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jonfan wrote:
Saira is Emmanuel Goldstein.


Jonfan is salman rushdie in disguise
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Saira doesn't know who E. Goldstein is.
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You are here because you have failed in humility, in self-discipline. You would not make the act of submission which is the price of sanity. You preferred to be a lunatic, a minority of one. Only the disciplined mind can see reality. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you.

What a genius!

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Personally, I have read Hitler's "Mein Kampf" with great interest. It's in fact not so easy to find, since it's considered such a "dangerous" text.

What should one say ? yes, if a person doesn't know much about history and has, in general, some inclination towards antisemitism and radical ideologies, it could have a negative influence on him - on all other people, it would rather have the opposite effect.

It is in fact saddening, when you think that so many people died because of the mass of semi-literate idiocies contained in the book. One could almost be tempted to say "poor Hitler" when you read how he struggled, despite his limited formal education and obvious cultural limits, with ideologies, history, economics, political science, psychology etc etc

Almost tempted, of course.

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as your such an 'admirer' of rushdie , you should read tht book....then maybe you'll see what a load of rubbish it is, and what a retarded writer your mate rushdie really is
Did you actually read the book, saira, or are you just repeating what your Muslim friends are saying all around you ?

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Excellent suggestion, and while at it, saira, you might want to pick up 1984 by George Orwell. It's an authentic classic, and I don't believe Mohammed is mentioned at all.
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You are here because you have failed in humility, in self-discipline. You would not make the act of submission which is the price of sanity. You preferred to be a lunatic, a minority of one. Only the disciplined mind can see reality. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you.

What a genius!

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jon sorry for bursting your little bubble but im here just to mock you all, because i have never come across such a group of totally self absorbed, self deluded and frankly hateful group of ppl before

You talk of discipline, thats a joke, where was YOUR discipline and humility when you were on WI. You stomped around like a little cry baby when you didnt get your own way. Every time there was a discussion on catholics and their behaviour etc, you just started spitting your dummy out and wailing ...so plzzzzz you dont have any right to talk about anyone else.

Your answer although a stupid one was very funny too..LOL

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Hi Saira

so, did you actually read the "Satanic verses" or not ?

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jonfan wrote:
You are here because you have failed in humility, in self-discipline. You would not make the act of submission which is the price of sanity. You preferred to be a lunatic, a minority of one. Only the disciplined mind can see reality. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you.

What a genius!

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jon sorry for bursting your little bubble but im here just to mock you all, because i have never come across such a group of totally self absorbed, self deluded and frankly hateful group of ppl before

You talk of discipline, thats a joke, where was YOUR discipline and humility when you were on WI. You stomped around like a little cry baby when you didnt get your own way. Every time there was a discussion on catholics and their behaviour etc, you just started spitting your dummy out and wailing ...so plzzzzz you dont have any right to talk about anyone else.

Your answer although a stupid one was very funny too..LOL


Hi Saira,
I apologize I did not mean to make fun of your prophet.
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If I have insulted Mohammed, I also apologize.
Please let us know when we do this so we may correct it and avoid it in the future.
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I appologize in advance for anything I'm gonna do. Saira, I don't think that you are an empty space, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. You can't help who you are, or what you will become.
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Hi Saira

so, did you actually read the "Satanic verses" or not ?

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I think Gio has not read the well known hadith:

And I heard the Prophet say, "Do not respond to questions posed you by non-believers, for truly they seek not answers to learn the laws of Allah. They seek answers that they may know your secret hypocrisy. But respond not to them and they cannot use your words against you."
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I think Gio has not read the well known hadith:

And I heard the Prophet say, "Do not respond to questions posed you by non-believers, for truly they seek not answers to learn the laws of Allah. They seek answers that they may know your secret hypocrisy. But respond not to them and they cannot use your words against you."


Wow. Is this for real? It would explain the oft-noted tendency to avoid discussions. They aren't being rude - they are following the tenants of Islam.
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I'm flattered. No, I made it up
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I'm flattered. No, I made it up


Why Rhoda, you've written a verse like unto the Koran. OK, like unto a hadith. See, folks, it CAN be done! Twisted Evil
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Yeah, well don't ask me to write one in Arabic. And I believe those are the only ones that count
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Yeah, well don't ask me to write one in Arabic. And I believe those are the only ones that count


Sure you can. Go to babelfish.com


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Yeah, well don't ask me to write one in Arabic. And I believe those are the only ones that count
Your hadith is just dandy Rhoda. Few people can appreciate the subtle intricacies of classical Arabic, in any case, and we kuffar surely are not among them.

Just work a bit on the "isnad" (chain of transmission).

Something like Sahih Rhoda, Book 27: 1435 "Narrated Anas: I heard from Abu Hurairah, that Aishah (saw) once told him that the Prophet (pbuh), when asked for the time by an unbeliever, refused to answer, and added etc etc" is a sure hit.

Don't worry, you don't have to actually write the other 26 books (or the remaining 1434 ahadith, for that matter)

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Saira let me expand my apology a bit further. I am sorry I made fun of your prophet who is your personal BB. I am sorry that you are a prole trying to make it into the outer party. I am also sorry that you have been in constant war with Oceania (oops Israel) and that has ALWAYS been the war throughout your party's history. Now hurry along before you are late to your two minute meeting.
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